Tony Abbott has labelled interference at the MH17 crash site in Ukraine a “cover-up”, describing it as “evidence-tampering on an industrial scale”.

After the success of an Australian UN resolution calling for a full and secure investigation of the site, the prime minister continued to step up his rhetoric against pro-Russian rebels.

“After the crime comes the cover-up,” the Australian prime minister said, hours after his UK counterpart, David Cameron, accused separatists of shooting down the plane and warned Russia to change its approach.

"What we have seen is evidence-tampering on an industrial scale, and obviously that has to stop,” Abbott said.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/tony-abbott-labels-mh17-crash-site-evidence-tampering-on-industrial-scale

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 We have evidence of cover up in Nauru and on the water by Abbott and his cronies...

Indeed Gus.

Whilst I’m sure some would share the flat-earth world view of ‘Mordochland’, that prime minister Tony Babbitt has handled the MH17 crisis with uncustomary diplomatic aplomb thus far, there are others perhaps more cynical who sadly but simply see the turning of a terrible tragedy into an instant media circus to be used to pump-up all the old ‘cold-war’ rhetoric on behalf of our masters on the Potomac.

Does anyone really believe that Prime Minister Tony Abbott & the keeper of the ‘death stare’, Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, dreamt-up Australia’s attempted foreign policy mugging of Vladimir Putin all by themselves?

Does anyone really believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden?

And if they do, do they really believe that the clown who told Japan’s Prime Minister that Japan is our ‘bestie’ & who singlehandedly persuaded Indonesia to withdraw its Ambassador could suddenly morph into a little aussie Metternich?

I’ll bet my sheep station that Tony couldn’t wait to play catspaw for the gang on the Potomac & I also reckon they lent him the knuckledusters to drag-along the ground behind him!!

As to the alleged distaste by conservatives of our Security Council gig, surely old ‘Fishnets’ Alexander Downer proved just how much actors from that side of politics relish the prospect of being on the big stage?

Perhaps I would be more inclined to give the budgie smuggler the benefit of the doubt had he appeared less ready to poke Russia in the eye before the facts of the situation were even established. Add to this his persistent impugning of Russian intentions & we see the once-would-be-Jesuit for everything that he really is (it only takes one brief shining moment for those who care to look).

And as for G20 invitations, if I was Vladimir Putin, I think I’d be reaching for that old Groucho March epithet about not wanting to be a member of any club that would have him.

Tony Abbott is the only human being I can think of who makes ‘justice’ sound like a dirty word.

yes John... now a bit of reality from the US:

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 may have been shot down by "mistake" by ill-trained pro-Russian separatists, US intelligence officials say, dismissing Moscow's accounts of the incident.

The officials said they decided to brief reporters partly to counter what they described as misleading propaganda from Russia and its state-controlled media over the incident.

Evidence gathered so far suggests separatists launched the SA-11 surface-to-air missile that blew up the Malaysian airliner, but it remains unclear "who pulled the trigger" and why, said a senior intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"The most plausible explanation ... was that it was a mistake," and the missile was fired by "an ill-trained crew" using a system that requires some skill and training, an official said on Tuesday.

Intelligence officials are cautioning the public not to expect a "Perry Mason moment" when all questions are definitively answered.

They cited previous incidents over the years in which both Russian and US forces have mistakenly shot down civilian airliners.

A Korean airliner was downed by a Soviet fighter jet in 1983 and US naval forces mistakenly shot down an Iranian civilian passenger plane in 1988.

"We've all seen mistakes in the past," the official told reporters.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-23/mh17-likely-shot-down-by-accident-by-russian-separatists/5616748

At the time of the downing of flight MH17, the airspace below 32,000 feet was closed to commercial airliners. Between you, me and a packet of budgie smugglers, there is very little difference between 32,000 and 33,000 feet as far as a war zone is declared. Ukraine would have had to know that the missiles used to down their planes at 25,000 feet were not toys and could go much further up. And was the SU25 shot down as well? Or was it a chimera in the imagination of a general...?

A sad mistake. May we all live in peace.

Annabel Crabb gets it wrong again:

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Tony Abbott hasn't wasted any time aspiring to get to know Vladimir Putin. Given a barn-door-sized cause for national moral outrage, a clearly identifiable villain and a rare opportunity to be a conduit for protest rather than the butt of it, the Prime Minister has not hesitated.

His language about Russia - right from the jump - was exacting and accusatory, although Putin might have struggled initially to register the Australian PM's insistence that he be "fair dinkum".

The dispatch of Julie Bishop - a woman who has spent her entire parliamentary career remaining cogent after long-haul flights and days on end without sleep - turned out to work perfectly.

Perhaps there is only room for one gym junkie at the G20. Perhaps all those years Abbott the right-wing student activist spent walloping the Trots lent Abbott the Prime Minister a certain fluency of expression. Perhaps it's the relief of certainty, in that rare geopolitical circumstance where the goodies and the baddies are distinguishable so easily from each other.

One year ago, one would not necessarily have expected a toe-to-toe between Vladimir Putin and Tony Abbott. One would not have anticipated these beyond-dreadful circumstances. And one would not, perhaps, have expected Australia's 28th prime minister either to have attempted so much, or to have got it so right.

Annabel Crabb is the ABC's chief online political writer. She tweets at @annabelcrabb. View her full profilehere.

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Annabel! How can you get it so wrong? Our turdy Prime Minster just followed the hysteria with some added sympathetic decorum under instructions from Washington to heap as much crap as possible on Russia. But so far we have no proofs whatsoever of what happened. Even the yanks think of MH17 as an "accident"...

Yes, Australia has lost 36 people in the downing of MH17. But that does not mean much more than serious sorrow, grief and some anger. Our sorrow should focus on the lives lost, our anger should be placed at the inhumanity of war and a few other factors. For example the mob that Abbott leads should all be in prison for having lied to war on Iraq in 2003 and be responsible directly and indirectly for more than 500,000 deaths.

It has been known that there is a conflict in Ukraine. The Russian majority in East Ukraine demands freedom from Western Ukraine or at least some autonomy. Whether this is a good sentiment or a bad move is not for us to judge.

There is a war, with soldiers on both sides armed with fierce weaponry. We know that a few Ukrainian planes and helicopter have been shot out of the sky up to 25,000 fee recently. Does this mean that this is the range limit such weapons can go? I guess not... No, some of the weapons in the hands of the rebels, possibly stolen from the Ukrainian army, can go as high as 120,000 feet. That's what these are designed for: to shoot planes down. 

So, this area in Ukraine is a war zone whether we blame Putin or not for it. Should Putin abandon the Russians in East Ukraine which for all count are nearly 80 per cent of the population? Should there be a compromise between Ukraine and the Russian of East Ukraine? Of course, but at the moment even in the Ukrainian parliament there are real fist fights about the situation... 

For a couple of decades, there has been CIA (and MI6) operatives in Ukraine to cultivate that country's move towards the west and the west has recently been tempting (corrupting?) Ukraine with extra cash for dancing the tune. 

Russia does not like it as it goes against the agreement made in good faith by the west and Russia when the Soviet Union bit the dust under Gorbachev. Thus whatever we might think of Putin as a thug, our own primal monster is a more of thuggish thug with policies at home that are neo-fascist to say the least. He and his mob have been shifting the goal posts to make sure the rich are getting more and the poor are getting less. 

This my friend is far more ugly as it is a deliberate action while the shooting of MH17, a commercial airliner that should never been in that air space in the first place, is an "accident" as far as we know... 

Our turd in chief did not get it right.

Peace, my friend... peace.

Britain is exporting millions of pounds worth of arms to Russia despite fears Moscow is arming the separatist rebels in Ukraine suspected of shooting down a Malaysia Airways plane, MPs have said.

A committee report said 251 licences for the sale of controlled goods worth at least £132m remained in force.

The PM has criticised other EU countries' arms deals with Moscow.

David Cameron's spokesman said the UK had not sold arms to Russia's armed forces since March.

He also said the arms export licences still in place were for "non-military legitimate reasons".

The cross-party Commons Committees on Arms Export Controls said only 31 UK licences had been halted or suspended.

Permits covering sniper rifles, night sights, small arms ammunition, gun mountings, body armour, military communications equipment and "equipment employing cryptography" remained in force, it said.

The government said it was keeping all licences under review and the majority of licences that remained in place were for "commercial use".

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-28424395 

Le Monde.fr avec AFP et Reuters | 23.07.2014 à 07h59 • Mis à jour le 23.07.2014 à 13h27

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2014/07/23/le-royaume-uni-continue-d-exporter-des-armes-vers-la-russie_4461403_3214.html

Mr Khodakovsky blamed the Kiev authorities for provoking what may have been the missile strike that destroyed the doomed airliner, saying Kiev had deliberately launched air strikes in the area, knowing the missiles were in place.

"I knew that a Buk came from Luhansk. At the time I was told that a Buk from Luhansk was coming under the flag of the LNR," he said, referring to the Luhansk People's Republic, the main rebel group operating in Luhansk, one of two rebel provinces along with Donetsk - the province where the crash took place.

"That Buk I know about. I heard about it. I think they sent it back. Because I found out about it at exactly the moment that I found out that this tragedy had taken place. They probably sent it back in order to remove proof of its presence."

"The question is this: Ukraine received timely evidence that the volunteers have this technology, through the fault of Russia. It not only did nothing to protect security, but provoked the use of this type of weapon against a plane that was flying with peaceful civilians," he said.

"They knew that this Buk existed, that the Buk was heading for Snezhnoye," he said, referring to a village 10 kilometres west of the crash site.

"They knew that it would be deployed there, and provoked the use of this Buk by starting an air strike on a target they didn't need, that their planes hadn't touched for a week.

"And that day, they were intensively flying, and exactly at the moment of the shooting, at the moment the civilian plane flew overhead, they launched air strikes. Even if there was a Buk, and even if the Buk was used, Ukraine did everything to ensure that a civilian aircraft was shot down."

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Mr Khodakovsky said it was widely known that rebels had obtained Buks from Ukrainian forces in the past, including three captured at a checkpoint in April and another captured near the airport in Donetsk. He said none of the Buks captured from Ukrainian forces were operational.

"I'm not going to say Russia gave these things or didn't give them. Russia could have offered this Buk under some entirely local initiative," he said.

"I want a Buk, and if someone offered me one, I wouldn't turn it down. But I wouldn't use it against something that did not threaten me. I would use it only under circumstances when there was an air attack on my positions, to protect people's lives."

He added: "I am an interested party. I am a 'terrorist', a 'separatist', a volunteer ... in any event, I am required to promote the side I represent, even if I might think otherwise, say otherwise or have an alternative view. This causes real discomfort to my soul."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-24/mh17-ukraine-rebel-commander-acknowledges-fighters-had-buk/5619520

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Slowly one can make something of what is being said. I can believe the rebels are truly sorry for the downing of MH17. The missiles most probably came from the Ukrainian army. There was a heightened aerial activity by the Ukrainian airforce in the area — as also indicated by the radar logs from Russia. It is a tragedy that in a "violent air space" where there was a cat and mouse battle going on, between Ukrainian airforce and ground rebel forces, a missile was launched and hit a passing airliner instead of a Ukrainian plane — possibly "the" SU25 flying very close to MH17. Such missiles are aimed at planes but can switch target automatically should they miss the original target.

What was an airliner doing in such an air space with no room to move is contentious. Why was the airspace open at 33,000 feet but closed at 32,000 is something for Ukraine to deal with, as they would have had to know that the missiles in the hands of the rebels stolen or acquired from their own army, are able to reach 120,000 feet.

A sad sorry episode of another war. And Putin had nothing to do with it, except possibly encourage Russian rebels in East Ukraine to hold to their beliefs that they are right and/or supply them with weapons, like the US does to Israel or the 'rebels in Syria... 

Peace.

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ps: 

Ukraine has accused rebels of shooting down two fighter jets on Wednesday close to where the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crashed, killing all 298 passengers on board.

A spokesman for Ukraine's military operations told Reuters the planes were hit near Savur Mogila, a burial mound in the Shaktersky region where a memorial marks ambushes by the Soviet army on occupying Nazis during World War Two.

But a separate statement from Ukraine's Security Council on Wednesday said preliminary information suggested the missiles had been fired from Russia. Moscow has not responded to the claim.

"Two of our jets were hit at an altitude of 5,200 metres. According to preliminary information, the missiles were launched from the territory of the Russian Federation," the council said.

The military jets were downed just 35 km (20 miles) from the MH17 crash site in the village of Grabovo in eastern Ukraine.

read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mh17-ukraine-fighter-jets-shot-down-close-to-crash-site-9623448.html

A leader of pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine has told the BBC that his forces do not possess the Buk missile thought to have been used to to bring down Malaysia airlines flight MH17.

Alexander Borodai, prime minister of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), said that evidence that showed otherwise was "fake".

All 298 people on the plane died when it crashed in east Ukraine last week.

Ukrainian pro-Russian rebels have been widely accused of shooting it down.

The Netherlands, where most of the victims were from, received the first bodies in a ceremony on Wednesday.

A second plane carrying more bodies is expected to arrive from Ukraine on Thursday.

'No Buks'

Mr Borodai rejected accusations that his men had neglected crash victims' bodies.

He also categorically denied the presence of the Russian-made SA-11 Buk missile system in the crash area. Western intelligence officials say this was the weapon used to shot down the aircraft.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28457737

Note: I placed the title of this piece in between quotes as to satisfy the anti-Putin lobby.

From a reliable source, from that part of Europe:

Flight MH17 was flying only 1000 feet (300 metes) above a no-go zone for civilian aeroplanes (32,000 feet).

A very dangerous situation to be in.

About 3,000 metres (3 kms) to the north, a Ukrainian SU25 was flying on a parallel path, at a lower altitude (about 25,000 feet). 

A Buk rocket was fired by rebels at the SU25

(the Buk missile came from looted stores of the Ukraine army)

The radar and anti-missile avionics of the SU25 detected the incoming missile

The pilot of the SU25 took evasive action and veered south east, (climbing to "coffin altitude" 33,000 for this aircraft) entering the "shadow" above MH17 by accident

The SU25 activated the anti-missile system which diverted the attention of the Buk missile

The anti-missile "shower" of the SU25 fell by accident very close above to MH17

The Buk missile exploded very close to MH17, taking it down. 

OR

OR the SU25 climbed to 28,000 feet crossing the flight path below of MH17 while doing evasive actions.

The radar logs should show.

Important note: The targeting system of the Buk missile has a "non-cooperative threat classification system" which identify and clearly distinguish civilian aircraft (radar) from potential military targets when identification of target is not clear from the launcher. This prevents "civilian" aeroplanes from being shot down. This is why the presence of an SU25 in the same air space would have confused signals.

Who knows. 

Peace.

Security officials in Ukraine say the downed Malaysia Airlines jet in eastern Ukraine suffered an explosive loss of pressure after it was punctured by shrapnel from a missile.

They say the information came from the plane's flight data recorders, which are being analysed by British experts.

However, it remains unclear who fired a missile, with pro-Russia rebels and Ukraine blaming each other.

Many of the 298 people killed on board flight MH17 were from the Netherlands.

Dutch investigators leading the inquiry into the crash have refused to comment on the Ukrainian claims.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28532525

Meanwhile everyone is blaming the Russians. Idiots.

see also: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/world/europe/civilian-death-toll-rise-in-ukraine.html?_r=0

Peace.

The greatest concern about the events in the Ukraine that bothers me today is Rupert Murdoch’s deep involvement with politicians from various countries: Britain’s Thatcher and Blair in particular, American presidents from Jimmy Carter through to George W Bush and Australians from John Howard to Tony Abbott, Ariel Sharon to Benjamin Netanyahu.

How deeply have Rupert’s close and secret relations affected the range of wars that began after World War II and have continued through the 20th century into the 21st?

They are wars that were all unnecessary. They were all wars in which the Western powers and Australia were defeated – despite the lies of the politicians – who pretended afterwards that they had been successful.

North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan were all costly defeats with horrible consequences for the people of those nations. In World War II, Russia’s Stalin took control of the countries to the East and the people of those countries have suffered ever since — some succeeding in different levels of freedom, others engaged in internal wars, like the Ukraine.

Wars sell newspapers and Rupert still lives in hope that he can bring his papers back to life. We will never know how much of his influence has caused so much suffering in these parts of the world.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/mh17-and-murdoch,6727

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As we have mentioned many times on this site, newspapers survive on reporting biffo, drama and wars. They also like to "expose" the occasional rorting of the system by the poor as if it was universal practice, thus all the poor known why they should suffer or are suffering — while the newspapers are promoting the good looking legs of starlets to encourage "hope" of success while only stirring vicarious dreaming. You know what I mean... 

The most influential news network on this planet is unfortunately that of Rupert Murdoch who was blowing the trumpet for Blair, Bush and Howard in their silly sad killer war on Iraq — and other stupid neo-fascist activities, such as promoting the freedom to do any business at the cost of the planet's health. 

Russia has introduced a "full embargo" on most food imports from Australia as part of a wide-ranging ban on foodstuffs from Western countries that is in retaliation to sanctions imposed against Moscow for its policy on Ukraine.

Australian farmers will feel the effects of the sanctions. Australian beef exports to Russia were worth $159 million in 2013, butter exports accounted for $64 million, live animals excluding seafood accounted for $55 million and meats excluding beef were worth another $48 million. 

Overall, two-way trade between Australia and Russia in 2013 was worth about $1.79 billion in 2013, according to Department of Foreign Affairs statistics.

Those figures equated to $736 million in exports to the Russian federation and about $1.057 billion in imports from the Russian federation.

Late on Thursday, a spokeswoman for Prime Minister Tony Abbott said "we are examining the statement" from the Russian government.

See the chest beating neo-fascist media at top...

Meanwhile the French and the Poms are still selling weapons to Russia (all for credit for gas and oil)...

Because the West wants to pin the downing of MH17 on Russia, Expert witnesses and experts from Russia seem to have been excluded from the Dutch investigation of the event. The Dutch team will report its findings in October this year. But one can expect that they will tow the line as decreed by Washington. 

Meanwhile:

The Russian maker of an anti-aircraft missile widely thought to be behind the destruction of a civilian airliner over east Ukraine last summer presented evidence Tuesday that suggested that Ukrainian forces were responsible for the attack.

Almaz-Antey, Russia's largest defense contractor, announced its findings as the basis for a court appeal against EU sanctions placed on the firm last year in the wake of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 disaster, which caused the death of 298 people.

The Moscow Times

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Based on the findings of a technical study of the MH17 wreckage, the firm concluded that a missile not used in Russia but found in Ukraine's arsenal destroyed the plane, and that the launch location was in territory allegedly held by Ukrainian forces.

But the appeal may fall on deaf ears. A report issued Sunday by a well-known team of citizen journalists concluded that similar claims made by the Russian Defense Ministry last summer were based on altered satellite photographs.

A report published by respected citizen journalist website Bellingcat on Sunday, meanwhile, cast doubt on Russian Defense Ministry satellite images released last summer that allegedly showed a unit of Ukrainian Buk-M1 launchers leaving their base and moving into the flight path of MH17.

The satellite photos were doctored, Bellingcat said, and in fact appeared to be more similar to Google Earth satellite images of the territory taken the month before. [Gus: we cannot trust Bellingcat on this issue]

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/mh17-was-not-shot-down-by-russian-missile--russian-defense-firm/522938.html

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Meanwhile:

Russian federal investigators said on Wednesday they had testimony from a former Ukrainian air force mechanic supporting a Moscow theory that a Malaysian passenger plane downed in east Ukraine last summer was attacked by a Ukrainian fighter jet.

Moscow has stepped up a campaign denying any responsibility for the downing of the airliner on July 17, 2014, with the loss of all 298 people aboard. Several versions presented by various Russian officials, however, are contradictory.

A state arms producer that makes the Buk air defense system believed to have brought down flight MH17 — though accounts differ on who fired it and from where — said on Tuesday the Boeing aircraft was hit by a missile deployed by Ukraine and not widely used by Russia's military.

Russia's federal Investigative Committee, which reports directly to President Vladimir Putin, said a Ukrainian mechanic had testified that an SU-25 military jet took off for a combat mission on July 17 and returned with no munitions.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-investigators-point-finger-at-ukraine-over-downing-of-mh17/523014.html

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AMSTERDAM — Dutch Foreign Minister Bert Koenders will discuss efforts to prosecute suspects in the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 while in Moscow on Friday, his office said in a statement.

Koenders will also discuss a Russian blacklist of European politicians during a meeting with his counterpart Sergei Lavrov, it said.

Roughly two-thirds of the 298 victims of the airline disaster on July 17 were Dutch. Suspects have yet to be identified by Dutch prosecutors.

The plane is widely believed to have been shot down with a surface-to-air missile launched by pro-Russian forces in Ukrainian territory, but Moscow denies involvement.

A Dutch Safety Board report on the precise cause [ahahaha] of the crash is due in October.

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I trust the Moscow Times far more than the rags of the Aussie press led by Uncle Rupe's various ultra right-wing outlets (see picture at top) ...

The vote on the proposal by Malaysia, Australia, the Netherlands and Ukraine to create an international tribunal is set for Wednesday afternoon. The resolution would require all countries to cooperate with the special tribunal or face sanctions.

But on Friday, Russian UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin rebuffed the proposal. "This is not a proper thing for the Security Council to do because it's not a case of a threat to international peace and security," he said.

Ukraine is among a number of countries which accuse pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine of shooting down the Malaysia Airlines flight with a Russian-made missile in July 2014.

It crashed in territory held by the separatists, killing all 298 people on board. The majority of passengers on the MH17 flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur were Dutch.

Russia has objected to the formation of a tribunal, calling instead for the completion of an ongoing investigation, with conclusions expected in October.

Churkin said he had not received definitive instructions from Moscow on how to vote on Wednesday but commented: "I have a very strong feeling that it's not going to lead to a result that will be satisfactory for the Security Council." He added: "We are against it."

On July 21, 2014 the Security Council unanimously adopted a resolution for those responsible to "be held to account and that all states cooperate fully with efforts to establish accountability."

Led by the Dutch, Malaysia, Australia, Belgium and Ukraine are conducting a criminal inquiry into the downing of flight MH17.

read more: http://www.dw.com/en/russia-ready-to-block-un-security-council-vote-for-tribunal-on-mh17-ukraine-air-crash/a-18606747

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEYUR4PRqYw

Read from top.

Dear Mr. Trump,

Your election has raised hopes that easing of tensions, between U.S. and Russia, and peacemaking in Europe in general is achievable. Settlement of the ongoing conflict in Eastern Ukraine and lifting the sanctions against Russia which is vital for the world community has a realistic chance now.  With this in mind, there is also hope for a higher quality investigation into the disputed downing of MH17, as you expressed your doubts in an October 2015 interview, regarding the proof of Russian guilt:

“They say it wasn’t them. It may have been their weapon, but they didn’t use it, they didn’t fire it, they even said the other side fired it to blame them. I mean to be honest with you, you’ll probably never know for sure.“ (MSNBC)

Indeed, we agree with you, we will never be sure, with the kind of investigation we have seen over the past two years.  The official investigation of the “Dutch Safety Board“ (DSB) and the “Joint Investigation Team“(JIT) was neither independent nor convincing.  This kind of investigation forms a huge burden particularly to the families who lost their loved ones in the downing of MH17.  They need to know the truth.

WE ARE ASKING YOU, TO PLEASE PUSH FOR A NEW INVESTIGATION.  This could happen within an international framework like the U.N. comprising the following aspects:

(1) A team of international, independent scientists who would be able to exclude veto power for any government.  This exclusion of veto is especially important, due to the overwhelming role of one of the involved parties, Ukraine.  The main source of information to the DSB and JIT used for their official investigations was SBU, the Ukrainian secret service.

(2) Keeping all scenarios on the table.

(3) Declassifying and releasing “available satellite images” claimed by Secretary of State, John Kerry, on 20th of July 2014; or (if not) disclaiming their existence.

(4) Conducting forensic examination of impact holes (for metal residues) in the MH17 wreckage and reproducing the same pattern of damage by shelling tests (as usually done in crime cases). Completing key information fields, such as body forensics, voice recorder, radar data etc.

(5) Prior construction of, a clear path to an international, objective trial in the U.N. framework with judges from countries which are not connected with the crash.

FURTHERMORE, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE INITIATE PEACE TALKS WITH ALL PARTIES CONCERNED (including but not limited to Russia, Ukraine, and the EU) aiming at settling the dispute and establishing a reconstruction plan for Eastern Ukraine including the compensation of the MH17 families.

Thank you so much, in advance, for your attention to this matter.

Independent journalists & experts on MH17,

• MARK BARTALMAI, journalist & Ukraine documentaries producer, GERMANY
• DR. THIERRY BAUDET, journalist, publicist & initiator of Dutch referendum on EU/Ukraine association agreement, NETHERLANDS
• BERND BIEDERMANN, missile defense colonel ret., military attaché ret. & book author, GERMANY
• CHRISTOPHER BLACK, international criminal lawyer, CANADA
• NORBERT FLEISCHER, investigative journalist, GERMANY
• PROF. DR. ELMAR GIEMULLA, lawyer of German MH17 victims, GERMANY
• DR. HERMANN HAGENA, airforce general ret. & author of MH17 military study, GERMANY
• PROF. DSC. OTTO-FRIEDRICH HAGENA, physicist, GERMANY
• PETER HAISENKO, journalist, publisher & former “Lufthansa” pilot, GERMANY
• JOHN HELMER, longest-serving foreign correspondent in Russia, UNITED STATES
• FRANK HÖFER, journalist & film producer, GERMANY
• DIETER KLEEMANN, airforce colonel / trainer ret. & book author, GERMANY
• PATRICK LANCASTER, investigative journalist with 100s of hours on MH17 site from day one & U.S. Navy veteran, UNITED STATES
• DR. JAMES O´NEILL, barrister on human rights & geopolitical analyst, AUSTRALIA
• JOOST NIEMÖLLER, journalist & MH17 book author, NETHERLANDS
• GRAHAM PHILLIPS, investigative journalist, UNITED KINGDOM
• PROF. DR. KEES VAN DER PIJL, political scientist, peace activist & author, NETHERLANDS
• HECTOR REBAN, political analyst & blogger on MH17, NETHERLANDS
• NORBERT K. REISBERG, Lt.-Col. ret., airforce pilot ret. & military scientist, GERMANY
• DAN SHEPPARD, private MH17 researcher, AUSTRALIA
• JOACHIM SIEGERIST, journalist, publisher & author, GERMANY
• BILLY SIX, investigative journalist & book author, GERMANY
• MAX VAN DER WERFF, blogger & private MH17 investigator, NETHERLANDS
• PROF. KAREL VAN WOLFEREN, journalist, political analyst & book author, NETHERLANDS
• MOHD AZAHAR ZANUDIN, technician, supplier for army/police & blogger on MH17, MALAYSIA

https://off-guardian.org/2016/12/01/open-letter-to-the-president-elect-o...

London lawyer Samuel Wordsworth QC, a visiting professor at Kings College, is defending Russia in the ICJ against the Ukrainian Government's claims Vladimir Putin's federation is financially supporting terrorism by backing separatist rebels.

The case is a complicated one. The Wordsworth defence is interesting not only for what it says, but for what it doesn't say.

"There is no evidence before the court," he told the judges, "plausible or otherwise, that Russia provided weaponry to any party with the intent or knowledge that such weaponry be used to shoot down civilian aircraft, as would of course be required under Article 2.1."

(Article 2.1 is a key section of the International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism).

Mr Wordsworth did not run the normal Kremlin defence. Instead he said there was no evidence of intent to provide weapons to shoot down a civilian aircraft.

It is not an unreasonable argument, but it is a long way from what Russia is normally willing to say.

So, what did Russia's top silk quote to back up his legal case? The Dutch-led JIT report that has been consistently dismissed by Russia as biased, politically motivated and full of fabricated evidence.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-09/russias-lawyer-goes-off-script-in-...

Anyone who argues something under the law has to argue on LAW POINTS, not under political umbrella. So, the only point OF LAW that can be argued here is that: "there was no evidence of intent to provide weapons to shoot down a civilian aircraft." 

This is normal practice. Menwhile the court has refused to admit evidence from Russia altogether... This is not "normal" practice.

Despite his rush to blame Putin, Turnbull hasn't even declared the shooting down of MH17 a terrorist attack – so the families of victims can be compensated – nor has a "full, thorough and independent investigation" yet taken place, writes James O'Neill.

A MINI UPROAR has occurred in the wake of Pauline Hanson’s interview on last Sunday’s Insiders programme with Barrie Cassidy.

Hanson offered praise for Russian President Putin’s “strong leadership”.

An aghast Cassidy responded by repeating the standard lazy slur of Australian journalists that Putin was responsible for the shooting down of MH17 over eastern Ukraine in July 2014, with the loss of 39 Australian residents.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull response was quoted in the Sydney Morning Herald:

'Mr Turnbull said Mr Putin’s Russia was responsible for the "shocking international crime" of shooting down the MH17 airliner.'

As a former barrister, Turnbull ought to know better than to definitively pronounce guilt before the evidence is available and properly assessed.

In the case of MH17, that caution should be exercised more carefully than with many political pronouncements. Unfortunately, Turnbull’s rhetoric only added to the obfuscation, evasion, omission of relevant facts and downright lies that have characterised political comment on the tragedy.

There has, in fact, been one report on the tragedy — that of the Dutch Safety Board (DSB), which reported on 13 October 2015. That report did not determine responsibility for the firing of the BUK missile, that the DSB concluded was responsible for the destruction of the airliner. Rather, they narrowed the likely origin of the missile to a 320 square km area that was contested at the time both by the Donbass militia and units of the Ukrainian military.

As is typically the case with official reports, there is more value found in the appendices than can be gleaned from the report itself.

In the case of MH 17, "Appendix T" was an assessment provided by the Dutch security services. Their analysis concluded that there was no evidence the “separatists” had possession of an operable BUK missile; no evidence that they had the training or expertise to fire such a missile and no evidence of any intention or motive to fire such a missile. Needless to say, none of this was reported in the Australian mainstream media.

The second report that has been published is an interim report of a criminal investigation team under Dutch leadership and including representatives of the Australian Federal Police (AFP).

Their deadline for producing a final report has been extended to 2018. Turnbull knows, or ought to know, that one cannot establish guilt on the basis of a preliminary investigation, much less when the preliminary report has not been subjected to the court procedures with which we are all familiar.

There are other serious reservations about the efficacy of even the preliminary report. That report has been dissected in a number of credible analyses that are readily available, so I will mention only two significant flaws to make the point.

The first is that the investigation team ignored, did not have available, or failed to include, relevant information from a number of sources. This included, for example, technical analyses, including classified information, by Almaz-Antay, the BUK’s manufacturer.

Another gap in the evidence was the data from the two U.S. satellites in geostationary orbit over Donbass at the relevant time — data which was boasted about by John Kerry shortly after the tragedy.

Fred Westerbeke, the Dutch head of the criminal inquiry, confirmed in a letter to the Dutch victim’s families in February 2016 that the American satellite data had been provided “confidentially” to the criminal investigation. The report, however, is silent about what those satellite images established. If they had confirmed what Turnbull rhetorically claims, it is a reasonable assumption that they would have been lauded long and hard.

The second major flaw in the report is that it relies heavily on information gathered by the Ukrainian authorities to reach its initial opinions. This breaches one of the fundamental principles of a criminal investigation. It even has its own Latin maxim, which translates as "no one is judge in their own cause".

Any “evidence” collected from such a source is inevitably irretrievably tainted. In the unlikely event of there ever being a criminal trial, or even a hearing of the various civil claims currently outstanding, this fatal flaw will provide ample ammunition for defence counsel.

The travesty of the inquiry does not stop there. In another development that the Australian mainstream media have never seen fit to enlighten their viewers/listeners/readers is the existence of an agreement signed by Australia, Belgium, Netherlands and Ukraine on 7 August 2014. This agreement provides that nothing shall be published arising out of the DSB or criminal inquiry unless all four parties agree. This effectively gives Ukraine a power of veto over any adverse findings. This is beyond astonishing.

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https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/turnbull-hans...

A Russian newspaper obtained copies of secret documents of the Security Bureau of Ukraine (SBU) about special operations to destroy evidence of mass murder in the sky over the Donbass on July 17, 2014. The Sovershenno Secretno newspaper (translates as "Top Secret") conducts an investigation into the downing of the Malaysian passenger Boeing over Ukraine.

The copies of the documents that the newspaper obtained - orders, coded telegrams and plans - were written on official letterheads of the Ukrainian Security Service. According to the newspaper, Ukrainian President Poroshenko and his generals should be put on trial in The Hague as war criminals.

The person who handed the documents to the newspaper, said that it was part of his very long and exhausting work. "In Ukraine, I have a few friends, who are fed up with the fact that other people wipe their feet on them. They are two-faced guys: they want those bastards to be held accountable for what they did, but at the same time, they want a security cushion and offer to buy those documents," the anonymous source of information said.

My clients have waited three years, Mr Putin. There is still no accountability.

Your government has provided no explanation for the missile parts and wiring among the wreckage, no explanation for the missile series or warhead numbers, no explanation for the shrapnel pattern, shape, distribution or recovery of bow tie-shaped shrapnel from the flight crews' shattered bodies.

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http://www.smh.com.au/comment/three-years-on--its-time-to-make-amends-fo...

It's the blame Putin season again... Putin HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MH17.  There is far more responsibility lying at the feet of Ukraine. Ukraine SHOULD NEVER HAVE ALLOWED commercial aircraft movements in this portion of rebel territory which had downed one of Ukraine military plane a few days earlier. Actually, the Ukrainian government knew that it could be a possibility so it created a false no-fly zone up to 33,000 feet allowing commercial aircrafts to fly above this. This WAS RIDICULOUS.

First, the Ukraine government knew that some Buk missiles had been stolen from their arsenal. Buk Missile can hit up to 120,000 feet straight up.

Second, It has not been proven WHAT HIT MH17.  It could have been down by a Ukrainian Buk missile, but...

third, more likely it was hit by a Ukrainian military plane, according to proper forensics of the fuselage and wing "bullet" patterns.

So please, Sydney Morning Herald FUCK OFF. Putin had nothing to do with it. With this article you sound more and more like the Turdy Spluttograph, the paper not even worth as dunny paper.

And contrarily to what the SMH asserts, the Russian government has provided some solid evidence that were rejected by the Dutch because this evidence did not fit the "blame Putin" ridiculous scenario.

And the worse part of this is that the SMH is using indoctrinated kids to do its dirty journalistic work. Ugly

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Series 1 covered and disputed the major “findings” of both the MH 17 official inquiries and those of the “citizen journalist” groups. Beginning with in-depth investigations into the sightings of a BUK convoy in Zugres, that mysterious Elderberry bush, BBC coverage, sightings of a MIG fighter and ending with the enigmatic “To Whose Benefit?”

Not being a group to sit on their laurels, nor on a cosy armchair like a Bellingcat … the MH 17 Inquiry authors have begun production of series 2, continuing their tradition of investigating on location, where the evidence is. The opening episode begins with a recap of the MH17 disaster, asking which countries have ever “accidentally” shot down a commercial passenger jet and how is it possible that such disasters happened?

see video:

https://off-guardian.org/2017/10/19/mh17-inquiry-series-2-episode-1-what...

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Noteworthy as well in the second headline about "generous" Crown Casino — now under investgation for tempering with the poker machines...

The Ministry of Security and Justice of the Netherlands will not expose a number of documents related to the crash of Flight MH17 of Malaysia Airlines over the Donbass in 2014.

Thus, the Supreme Court of the Netherlands has revoked a decision of a lower court that earlier ruled that the information about the air crash should be exposed to the general public.

Shortly after the air crash over the Donbass, the Broadcasting Corporation of the Netherlands, RTL TV channel and Volksrant newspaper requested relevant information from the government to restore the sequence of actions of the authorities that followed the tragedy that occurred on July 17, 2014. The request from the media outlets was based on the law on freedom of access to information.

The Ministry of Security and Justice of the Netherlands published several hundreds of documents in February and April 2015, but most of information in them was retouched so much it was difficult to understand what the documents were saying.

It soon became clear that a whole package of documents on the subject had never been declassified. The department said, however, that exposing the data may complicate the relationship with other countries and international organisations.

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"For too long, the Russians have been getting away with murder,” Abbott told 2GB radio on Wednesday, calling the crash “an atrocity.” His rant came in response to the words of the New Zealand Foreign Minister Winston Peters.

On Saturday, Peters was confronted over his effort to negotiate a free trade deal with members of the Russia-led trade block. TV3's The Nation host Lisa Owen asked him whether he was concerned with the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17. In response, the minister said that the facts, which could substantiate accusations against Moscow, are actually lacking, and the West only has “allegations.”

In late February, the Dutch Ministry of Justice and Security released another report on the state of the ongoing MH17 crash investigation, which was conducted by the Joint Investigation Team (JIT), consisting of multinational specialists. The document did not provide any new details on the inquiry, instead, it stated that the probe had been “extended until January 1, 2019.”

The “detectives” still remain in the JIT “field office” in Ukraine’s capital of Kiev, where they continue to work “on the daily basis,” the document said. The investigators are also collecting the remains of the crash victims, more than three years after the tragedy. The paper also stated that some “bone fragments” obtained by a “freelance journalist”were handed over to the investigators over the past six months.

In January 2017, two Dutch journalists traveled to eastern Ukraine and one of them also visited the MH17 crash site only to discover that “a lot of pieces,” including some human remains, were indeed still lying on the ground, with no one apparently planning to collect them. Both journalists were apprehended by authorities upon their return, despite showing a willingness to cooperate. All of the collected materials were seized

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https://www.rt.com/news/421328-mh17-russia-accused-no-evidence/

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The downing of Malaysia Airlines MH17 (as observed from Australia) – Part 1

The downing of Malaysia Airlines MH17 – Part 2: An avalanche of inconvenient questions

A Ukrainian military pilot blamed by Russia over the 2014 downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 has killed himself, Ukrainian media report, quoting police.

Capt Vladyslav Voloshyn had called the Russian allegation a lie. Dutch investigators concluded that a Russian Buk missile had destroyed the Boeing 777 jet, killing 298 people.

Reports say Voloshyn shot himself at home in Mykolaiv, near the Black Sea.

Ukraine described him as a war hero.

He had flown 33 combat missions in a low-flying Su-25 ground attack jet against Russian-backed separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine, and had been granted a medal for bravery.

Recently the 29-year-old had been in charge of the Mykolaiv airport, after resigning from the air force. The southern city near Odessa is called Nikolayev by Russian speakers.

A statement from Mykolaiv police on Facebook (in Ukrainian) described Voloshyn's death as "suicide", but it is being investigated under the "premeditated murder" section of Ukraine's penal code.

A military service pistol was found at the scene and is now being examined by experts.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43457694

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Radar boffins have debunked the 'invisible missile' theory that Russia used in an attempt to discredit the investigation into the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, in which 38 Australians died.

Russia had claimed “irrefutable” raw radar data showed no missile was fired at the flight from the area that Western investigators including Australian federal police had established - a part of eastern Ukraine under the control of Russia-backed rebels.

But independent aviation experts said the radar data proved no such thing: and Russia may even have manipulated the data to hide its tracks.

The experts appointed by a magistrate from the Netherlands Public Prosecution Service examined data that Russia handed over and concluded either the missile was moving too quickly to be picked up by radar, or the data showing its presence was “removed manually”.

“Australia recognises and appreciates the findings of the independent experts’ assessments of the radar images provided by the Russian Federation,” said Peter Crozier, Commander of the Australian Federal Police, in a reaction to the results of the experts’ examination. “The findings are consistent with the previously articulated position of (investigators).”

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https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/radar-boffins-debunk-russia-s-invisi...

This is bullshit by the truck load. "independent aviation experts" would not have a clue as they make two assertion that contradict each other. If sensitive radars cannot pick a moving missile, then WW3 is on the cards any minutes now.  Removing "data" manually would take a lot of time and some hidden (patchup) data would still be on the recording . This is massive BULLSHIT coming from the Netherlands Public Prosecution Service, being served "coincidentally" with the Skripal "incident" with no proofs Russia did it, to pile more shit on the Russians at the time of the Soccer World Cup. 

Both incidents, the Skripals and the MH17 have the hallmarks of the neo-nazis of Ukraine under supervision from the Western "intelligence" agencies. Both smell of "false flag" events — unfortunately with real dead people. Not the first time the west indulges in this sort of capers.

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Dutch investigators have claimed they've uncovered hard evidence that the missile system that had shot down MH17 over East Ukraine in 2014 was part of the Rusian military.

The missile, which downed Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine in 2014, was launched by the Buk TELAR belonging to the Russian Armed Forces, head of the Dutch National Police’s Central Crime Investigation department Wilbert Paulissen said Thursday.

"The JIT has come to the conclusion that the Buk TELAR by which the MH17 was downed originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Bridage [sic], or the 53rd Bridage [sic], from Kursk in the Russian Federation," Paulissen told a press conference organized by the Dutch-led JIT.

According to JIT, the missile system was allegedly delivered to territories in eastern Ukraine that were beyond Kiev's control at the time of the incident and subsequently returned to Russia after the crash.

Dutch Chief Prosecutor Fred Westerbeke stated however that the investigation team will not disclose the evidence allegedly uncovered.

"We have more evidence and more information to back the conclusions made today, but we will not make them public at this time," he announced.

Malaysian Airlines' Boeing 777 crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014, killing all 298 passengers and crew members on board.

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https://sputniknews.com/europe/201805241064755015-mh17-investigators-dow...

Read from top. Once again, there is no point making "announcement of the sort with no proofs whatsover", except some "evidence that cannot be revealed"... Another bullshit exercise in demonising Russia without a single proof, before the soccer world cup. All this of course, like the Skripal poisoning and other anti-Russian stuff like the victory of Trump over Clinton, has no substance in it whatsoever, but it maintains the "Ruskies are bad" mantra in the western press... When will our scribes wake up from this official bad dream?

This week, a group of families of the victims wrote an open letter to the Russian people, ahead of the World Cup which Russia hosts next month.

“We are painfully aware of the dark irony that the Russian leaders who will profess to welcome the world with open arms, are those who are chiefly to blame for shattering our world,” the letter concluded. “And that it is these same leaders who have persistently sought to hide the truth, and who have evaded responsibility ever since that dreadful day in July 2014.”

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/24/mh17-downed-by-russian-mil...

This is bullshittic beyond belief. NO-ONE HAS SEEN ANY PROOF OF RUSSIA'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE DOWNING OF MH17 which was flying in a "WAR ZONE". NO PROOFS SHOWN SINCE 2014. NONE. And now they have "proofs" but still NONE to be shown... Bullshit, bullshit, all bullshit.

In the weeks before MH17 was shot down, the separatists had shot down a number of Ukrainian military planes over east Ukraine.

So? What was this plane doing flying over an area where "the separatists had shot down a number of Ukrainian military planes over east Ukraine" and how many planes "had been shot down" and "how"?

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Read also: http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/drupal/node/29389

Obviously the "investigators" have found "willing witnesses" for cash like those who told us that "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction"... You know the routine. This is why the "investigators" are disclosing their "interest" while fishing to catch a Russian military officer as the fall guy... It's more than pathetic. It's odious smelly western bullshit...

And by the way, someone less cynical than Gus could still suggest the timing of this "release" is coincidentally done to sabotage the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum...

The Russian Defense Ministry has rejected new claims that flight MH17 over Ukraine was downed by a missile from a Russian unit, urging the Dutch-led probe to focus on studying hard facts instead of social media images.

“Not a single anti-aircraft missile system of the Russian Armed Forces has ever crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border,” the defense ministry said in statement.The Russian military raised eyebrows over 

“the determination of the Dutch-led investigation to justifying its conclusions by solely using images from social networks that have been expertly altered with computer graphic editing tools.” 

The ministry pointed out that the images used in the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) press conference on Thursday were provided by the Ukrainian special services and had been previously displayed by the infamous British online investigative activist group, Bellingcat.

The Dutch-led probe announced that the missile that downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in July 2014 came from a Russian military Buk system that crossed into Ukraine and then returned to its base in western Russia.

Investigators claim the missile system involved came from “the 53rd Anti-aircraft Missile Brigade based in Kursk in Russia”. The JIT essentially just repeated the conclusion made by Bellingcat a year ago.

The alarming part in the JIT probe is that “the Dutch investigators completely ignore and reject the testimony of eyewitnesses from the nearby Ukrainian communities”, according to the Defense Ministry. The testimonies, however, provided essential information “indicating the launch of a missile was carried out from a territory controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.”

The Russian side said that it provided the international probe with “comprehensive” evidence, including field tests, which “clearly indicate the involvement of the Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft system units” in the destruction of the plane with 283 passengers and 15 crew members onboard.

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https://www.rt.com/news/427669-mh17-russia-ukraine-dutch/

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Russia should pay compensation to the families of the 38 Australians killed by the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 in 2014, according to Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.

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Russia's military denied any anti-aircraft missile units ever crossed the border between Russia and Ukraine, according to a report from TASS news agency.

The Australian Government announced in the May budget it would put $50 million over four years towards the prosecution costs of bringing those responsible to justice.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-25/bishop-demands-compensation-from-r...

Come on Julie! get real: Pay the 50 million cash to the families of the victims rather than fill the pocket of tin-pot lawyers you know won't get anywhere because there are no proofs of anything despite pictures of this and that and a narrative that does not add up. Ukraine should be held responsible for allowing commercial aircraft to fly in a war zone. This is ridiculous. Further more, the Russians have cooperated as much as possible, but their testimonies have been rejected, despite making far more sense than the Dutch investigators. The Russians have been accused of "tempering with their evidence" as if the other side would not — and released the "blame" Russia once more, at this point in time, in order to yet again chastise the Russians on the eve of the World Soccer Cup...

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What should shake your confidence in this "lynching", comes from the Dutch who said "Russia had so far failed to cooperate "at all" with the criminal investigation into the incident" — but the truth is that Moscow was not allowed to take part in the investigation, despite giving evidence that were dismissed by the investigators. Thus Russia can neither accept nor trust the results of this "international" investigation into the MH17 crash, especially when they know THEY DID NOT DO IT — and can prove so, but nobody wants to know the truth when you can fabricate another "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction"...

That was final proof the two voices and the two names belonged to the same person and that person — Ivannikov — was still working in the Russian military.

The team tried one last time to contact him in the hours before they made their findings public.

The mobile phone number was switched off. He hadn't used Whatsapp since May 17. So they called his home and his wife answered.

She told them he would be unavailable for the next month and a half.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-26/mh17-hunt-for-russian-mystery-man-...

Come on! get real!... We live in the moment of manufactured "evidence" and bullshit-artistry on a grand scale. That's what actors are paid for... At this level, fabricating a tape such as this one, now surfacing from who knows where (Bellincat?) is a piece of cake, especially for Ukrainians. Why would the Russians send a team of "plane shooters", when it was acknowleged that the Dombass rebels were doing a great job at downing Ukrainian planes every second day?

Ivannikov had gone fishing with his mates... And Saddam has no weapons of mass destruction...

One cannot believe in any "recordings" — and most courts of laws don't. Why? Because original tapes can be tampered with and voices can be faked, especially when there is a lot of "static" on the recording. Do I know the techniques!

Although the principle of state sovereignty lies at the heart of international law, the super powers have not refrained from corrupting governments, destabilising societies, eliminating their leaders and even overthrowing regimes by means of covert action. While this form of interference is relatively inexpensive when weighed against the potential gains, it inevitably undermines trust among nations. 

The Anglo-Saxons have become the masters of the game. As joint signatories to a 1948 secret military pact (UK-USA + Canada, Australia, New Zealand), they fashioned espionage and covert action tools to serve their common project: the Cold War. They were rivaling in this field against the Soviet Union, over which they had already attained undeniable superiority. Both Maoist China and post-colonial France also resorted to analogous means with a view to securing zones of interest, mainly in Africa. 

 
The landscape changed completely after the demise of the USSR. China stopped financing armed revolutionary groups all around and concentrated on pragmatic intelligence efforts to sustain economic cooperation development.

France withdrew from its private reserve in Africa to leave room for the European Union.

Having outlived the Yeltsin abyss, Russian intelligence set about restructuring at the national level and in their historical area of influence (newly independent ex-Soviet states) by mobilizing against external intrusions rather than interfering in the affairs of other countries. 

As of 1995, the Anglo-Saxons invested massively in their secret services, whose budget tripled over a 15-year period. In addition, they have drawn the Israeli services into their structure either as full members or as subcontractors. In 2009, the Anglo-Saxon services (except Israel) operate on an employment level of 250,000 men and a budget exceeding 100 billion dollars (i.e. 15 times higher than Russia’s, virtually their main competitor). In effect, espionage and covert action have become the essential tools of forced globalisation.

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http://www.voltairenet.org/mot209.html?lang=en

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The United States has not showed satellite images related to the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 crash in eastern Ukraine in 2014 that it claimed to have after the accident, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Friday.

"It is also worth mentioning that the United States has not provided satellite images, the presence of which was announced immediately after the catastrophe," Zakharova said as quoted on the website of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Earlier in the day, the Russian Defense Ministry refuted allegations by the British-based group Bellingcat that Russian intelligence officers were involved in the downing of MH17.

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https://sputniknews.com/russia/201805261064828855-usa-russia-mh17-crash-...

Here again, we could expect some "doctoring" of the satellite images anyway, should they be released. As one person who does a lot of Photoshop, sometimes pixel per pixel, I know what can be done... See also:

http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/drupal/node/28043

There are two serial numbers found on fragments of the missile, which shot down the passenger airliner in June 2014 according to an international team of investigators led by the Netherlands. The numbers were marked on the engine and the nozzle of the missile.

The Russian military on Monday said they had traced them to a missile which had the producer serial number 8868720.

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https://www.rt.com/news/438596-mh17-downing-russian-briefing/

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French investigators have reportedly uncovered new details in their hunt for the missing Boeing MH370 which disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing over four years ago.

According to Chyslain Wattrelos, a Frenchman whose wife and two children were among the 239 people onboard the ill-fated Malaysian Airlines flight, the screening of MH370 passengers has raised a number of questions.

'Atypical' Profiles

Chyslain Wattrelos, who recently met with the judge in charge of France's Air Transport Gendarmerie probe, says that French investigators have uncovered a Malaysian passenger with aeronautical knowledge sitting under the satellite communications module, hinting that he could have hacked the plane.

Other curious individuals onboard include two Ukrainians and one US national with "atypical profiles," as well as an Iranian, who had allegedly asked on Facebook to pray for him days before the flight.

MH370 Hunt Extends to US

Wattrelos added that investigators hoped to go to the US to meet with the FBI, which analyzed hard drive data from MH370 captain Zaharie Shah's home flight simulator, and with Boeing representatives in a bid to obtain and re-examine raw data. A previous trip was scrapped in September after the FBI opposed "confidentiality clauses" and "Boeing's trade secrets."

READ MORE: Missing MH370 Crash Site Possibly Spotted in Cambodian Jungle by US Pastor

"We are a little angry and now we want to say stop, it is time that the United States really cooperate on this issue," said Ghyslain Wattrelos. "It is necessary to go there because there are three entities that hold important information for understanding what happened on this flight."

A ‘Third Entity' Keeping Secret Data?

The Air Transport Gendarmerie's investigators have also uncovered a third entity, referred to by Wattrelos as SITA, a Swiss-based company that provided satellite communication services to Malaysian Airlines. The task is now to find out whether SITA's software was capable of hacking Satcom, the antenna that communicates signals from the aircraft to the Inmarsat satellite.

Wattrelos further pointed to what he called the yet-unexplained inconsistencies in the Malaysian report: for instance, Malaysian investigators said that the aircraft climbed to 58,200 feet (nearly 17.7 km) at some point, while the Boeing 777's actual cruising altitude is 43,000 feet (over 13 km).

Additionally, the co-pilot is said to have made a call from his mobile phone just before the plane disappeared from radars, but no similar data is available yet about any of the remaining 239 passengers and crew.

France remains the only country still investigating the Boeing's disappearance, after Malaysian authorities scrapped their four-year, multimillion-dollar search for the plane. In July, they admitted that they didn't know what happened to the plane, while also claiming that it was switched to manual control before disappearing from radars.

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 vanished from radar screens on March 8, 2014 on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing during a handover from Malaysian to Vietnamese air traffic controllers. Only a few pieces of debris, thought to be parts of the wreckage, have been discovered at different locations, including the French island of Reunion in the Indian Ocean, as well as in South Africa and Mozambique.

Read more:

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201810241069164440-curious-passengers-mh370...

Below is the French Facebook text of one of the father/husband of victims from MH370. Translated by Jules Letambour:

Yesterday we had a meeting with the French judges in charge of the investigation (the only investigation I trust). This investigation is progressing well thanks to the SRGTA, which does a lot of work. However, there is still a lack of international cooperation to move faster. The key conclusions of this meeting are:

* Judges ask to go to the US for a year and a half; all of the excuses to cancel this trip are coming from the American side (at first it was "you can come but you sign a confidentiality agreement" now it's "Boeing must protect these trade secrets"). It is very important to go on site to question the FBI, Boeing and a company that sells devices to the "program", SATCOM.

* The SITA company that managed most communications between the plane and the satellites could not connect to the aircraft while Inmarsat was successful. Conclusion: either Inmarsat or SITA lied!

* Passengers screening has raised questions that will have to be answered.

A Malaysian passenger sitting under the SATCOM had very good aeronautical knowledge (could he have hacked the SATCOM?)

An Iranian asked to pray for him on his Facebook account a few days before.

Two Ukrainians and one American also seemed to have atypical profiles.

* The Malaysian reports are riddled with inconsistencies that will have to be sorted out with Malaysia:

- Plane went to 58,000 feet while the 777 can not go above 43,000 !!

- Only the co-pilot's cell phone terminal was connected. None of the other 239 people on board was !!!

Note from Gus: for a plane like the 777 to reach 58,000 feet where the atmosphere is about 20 per cent the density at ground level, it needs to have more wing surface. This can be achieved by going at full cruising speed while extending the flaps to add more lift. A plane like the U2 can reach 70,000 feet where the atmosphere density is about 10 per cent of that at ground level, but it is designed like a glider with massive wings for the size of the plane. 

air density and temperature chart with altitude...

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What everyone knew about the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 got more official this week, as an international team of prosecutors charged three Russians and an allied Ukrainian in the murder of all 298 people aboard the plane.

Though Moscow and its puppets in occupied eastern Ukraine continue to deny everything, it was clear from the start that the missile that took out MA17, en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was fired from areas controlled by Russian-sponsored forces.

Officials from the Netherlands, Australia, Belgium, Malaysia and Ukraine have worked together on the Joint Investigation Team since shortly after the crash, with the Dutch leading because so many of the victims were their citizens.

And the JIT now says it has proof “that Russia provided the missile launcher” and has filed charges against four figures at the heart of the transfer — all of them involved in the Moscow-created Ukrainian separatist movement. Igor Girkin, Sergey Dubinsky and Oleg Pulatov all have ties to Russian military and security services; Leonid Kharchenko is the lone Ukrainian.

They’ll likely be tried (in the Netherlands) in abstentia, since Moscow will never cough them up. After all, if they started singing, it would only help show that responsibility goes all the way to the Kremlin.

We can’t say that Russian autocrat Vladimir Putin intended his pawns to shoot down a civilian airliner. But his regime sponsored a “rebellion” and armed the forces that committed this war crime.

Just one more reason the rest of the world should treat Putin as the scum that he is.

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https://nypost.com/2019/06/20/in-the-end-putin-is-to-blame-for-the-downi...

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This editorial would be funny if no-one had died. But doing this sort of shit capers is typical of the merde-och media. See: