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Ukraine may have to recognize the loss of some of its territory to Russia in order to achieve peace and security guarantees, Jens Stoltenberg said in his first long interview after stepping down as NATO secretary-general.

Stoltenberg ended his ten-year tenure as the chief of the US-led alliance on October 1. In a conversation with the Financial Times published on Friday, he said that Kiev may be forced to rethink seeing the restoration of the 1991 borders as a prerequisite for any peace deal.

Stoltenberg suggested that “a kind of new momentum” would come after the US presidential election in early November, possibly ushering in “ways to try to get movement on the battlefield combined with movement around the negotiating table.”

The West should “make the conditions” that would enable Ukraine to “sit down with the Russians and get something which is acceptable... something where they survive as an independent nation.”

Asked what he would propose to Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky, the former NATO chief offered a comparison to the resolution of the Soviet-Finnish war nearly 85 years ago.

Finland fought a brave war against the Soviet Union in ‘39. They imposed much bigger costs on the Red Army than expected,” he said. “The war ended with them giving up 10% of the territory. But they got a secure border.”

Under the March 1940 treaty, Finland ceded a large portion of the Karelia region and Viipuri, its second-largest city at the time (known as Vyborg in Russia).

Stoltenberg argued that Ukraine could obtain security guarantees from NATO even “if there is a line that is not necessarily the internationally recognized border.” He noted that the US defense pact with Japan does not cover Tokyo’s claim on the Kuril Islands, which are part of Russia, and that West Germany was admitted to NATO despite the fact that East Germany was controlled at the time by a separate, Soviet-aligned government.

When there is a will, there are ways to find the solution. But you need a line which defines where Article 5 is invoked, and Ukraine has to control all the territory until that border,” Stoltenberg said, referring to the section of the NATO treaty, which outlines the duty of member states to defend each other.

Russia has said that it would not accept Zelensky’s ten-point ‘peace formula’ and not relinquish control over Crimea and four other regions, which Kiev and its backers continue to view as Ukrainian territory under illegal occupation.

Kiev’s hopes of imposing its terms appear more distant after the failed 2023 counteroffensive and Russia’s new victories in Donbass, where Moscow’s troops have been making steady progress throughout 2024. During its renewed advances, the Russian Army pushed the Ukrainians out of several heavily fortified towns, including Avdeevka, which fell in February, and Ugledar, which was captured earlier this week.

https://www.rt.com/russia/605272-stoltenberg-ukraine-territories-finland/

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CRIMEA IS RUSSIAN — AS IT USED TO BE PRIOR 1954

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Stoltenberg Stuns: Is Giving Up Land the Key to Ukraine’s Independence? | Times Now World

In a surprising shift, former NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has urged Ukraine to consider relinquishing some of its territory to ensure its survival as an independent nation. In this video, we delve into Stoltenberg's provocative statements made during a recent interview with the Financial Times, where he cited Finland’s historical concessions after its war with the Soviet Union as a potential model for Ukraine.

As the conflict with Russia escalates, Stoltenberg's comments raise critical questions about the future of Ukraine and the complexities of ongoing military operations. He emphasizes the need for difficult choices, asserting that if Ukraine wishes to maintain its sovereignty, it might be necessary to contemplate “territorial adjustments.”

By Gus Leonisky at 5 Oct 2024 - 4:32pm
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Ukrainian Deputy Minister of Defense for European Integration Aleksandr Balanutsa has called out Kiev’s “infantile” backers over their failure to allow it to use Western-supplied missiles to attack targets deep inside Russia. He warned that unless his country succeeds, NATO member states on the bloc’s eastern flank will be in Moscow’s crosshairs.

Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky has for months been asking his Western partners for permission to use US-made ATACMS, British Storm Shadows, and French SCALP missiles to target internationally recognized Russian territory. London and Paris have indicated that they are prepared to give the green light, but only if Washington does so first.

The White House apparently remains skeptical about the idea, concerned over a potential escalation of the Ukraine conflict.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that such a decision would directly involve Western nations in the hostilities, as the Ukrainian military is not capable of operating these sophisticated missiles on its own.

Speaking during a panel discussion at the Warsaw Security Forum on Wednesday, Balanutsa lamented “sometimes I think that the collective West, to some extent, is really full of infantilization and ideas. Do we have to even ask the question ‘can Ukraine [have] the right to do this or that?’”

He went on to predict that unless Ukraine is given all the necessary means to stop Russia now, Moscow will set its sights on the Baltic states, Poland and Moldova.

“So, what I’m asking is a nice commercial offer: ‘You give me the guns, you give me the weapons, I’ll do the job’… and you will continue having your safe life,” the deputy minister said.

“We are not infants in Ukraine, and I’m asking my partners also to wake up and grow up a little bit,” Balanutsa implored.

The official also argued that the Ukrainian military’s fighting standards now far exceed those of NATO, meaning that the US-led military bloc needs Kiev more than Kiev needs NATO.

In the wake of Vladimir Zelensky’s visit to the US late last month, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Biden administration had not acquiesced to his “victory plan,” which involves long-range strikes on internationally recognized Russian territory.

Meanwhile, in late September, President Putin proposed that the national nuclear doctrine be updated to stipulate that “aggression against Russia by any non-nuclear state, but with the participation or support of a nuclear state” shall be regarded as a “joint attack” and therefore warrant nuclear retaliation.

https://www.rt.com/news/605122-ukrainian-official-chides-infantile-west/