From the ABC...
Shoot-to-kill plans aren't new, PM says
Prime Minister John Howard says he will speak to state leaders about their concerns over shoot-to-kill provisions in the Commonwealth's draft anti-terrorism legislation.
The premiers of five states have said they never agreed to the provisions.
The premiers of Queensland, Victoria, New South Wales, Western Australia and South Australia say the draft legislation differs from an agreement they reached with Mr Howard at last month's Council of Australian Governments (COAG) meeting.
The state leaders are concerned the draft introduces a shoot-to-kill provision against terrorism suspects who flee when arrested under a preventative detention order.
GUS says shove this policy up the fairy hole down the back bush track into the river of flushing effluent... straight down the tank stream..
The 'shoot to kill' clause is central to the program. It is not a
distraction. The keys to understanding this include Stanhope's
reactions, and the acquiescence of the other seven, to what was a
masterful confidence trick.
Of course, without reincarnating Will Shakespeare to write a nine-act
play, we'll only be able to guess what went through the minds of the
nine central characters, as they were led into the darkened theatrette
to watch Mick Keelty's screenplay and fancy footwork with the laser
pointer. We should assume they didn't have GHB-spiked tea served up in
the Crown porcelain. I reckon, while the hours under Mick's spell may
have whizzed by in a continual whir of murky threats, they were all
able to recall, with embarrassing surety, the extent of their
capitulation. Stanhope was the only one who didn't go in with his
underpants down around his ankles, because he had signalled his
disquiet beforehand. The responses since then suggest, strongly, that
they all knew they were conned, but Stanhope is the only one with
enough integrity and strength of ego to reject the overtures. It is
typical of victims of a con game that they remain in denial, because
admitting the deception is too painful.
The elements of this shell trick were extraordinarily simple, beyond
the need to 'trust me on this'. Premiers and Chief Ministers submit to
nothing, unless there is a promise of a transfer of funds. None of them
needed to be told that extra precautions mean more manpower and
resources, and that requires accounting for it in the budget. But, in
this exercise, the emphasis is on creating new spies, to infiltrate the
subversive networks, in order to root out the malcreants. At an early
point, it becomes necessary to cover up the entire activity, so to
lessen the risk of exposing what they are up to. So, it all has to go
underground, into the bowels of secret police activities. Premiers,
being basically simple and straighforward folk, would prefer not to
carry that load of systematic deceit. They would be overjoyed to hear
the A-G offer to provide the shield of obscurity, and the funds. All
they have to do is sign up to the clarifying legislation. The cover is
absolutely necessary, because the targets will be brought into the
daylight, sooner or later, to face criminal proceedings. That is,
unless there has been promise of rendition to secret military
commissions.
Let's hang onto it, there, and tease out just what a small army of
spies will look like. (Putting aside, for the moment, an inexpensive
means to the same end: the transforming impact of the actions of a lone
nut with a single bomb in a solitary rubbish bin at a significant
location.) Let's assume there are disaffected ethnic youth, who are
prepared to take money to inform on their mates. The suggestion is
being put around, in a certain weekend newspaper, that ASIO has
identified a small number of targets. (Laws will expose 80 Muslims ) Whatever the number, it will take
some sophistication to put trained operatives on their tails, and
collate the data going back. Successful plants would be expected to
remain under cover for as long as possible, in case something really
useful becomes accessible. Mick & Paul would have been projecting a
vast web of secrecy, able to infiltrate all sorts of groups and
organisations, and report back. That's a lot of money to come out of
budgets for ongoing programs. Having committed, the Premiers seal their
lips, because to talk about any aspect of the operation would
compromise all of it. Sucked right in. And when the States are
short-changed, down the track, there is no comeback. The books would
have to be somewhat massaged, to conceal the extent of the operations,
and they are all party to the cover-up. What's more likely, is that
they will commit to something that cannot be audited, and someone in
Canberra will take advantage of their weakness. The Premiers won't have
a clue how much money is changing hands, and they won't be able to
appeal to the electorate to help them out of their dilemma.
That's the sorry essence of it - add double agents and paid informants
to corruptible coppers, and that's an unholy and unmanageable mess,
unless someone is appointed to take personal responsibility for
failures and excesses. Name one of Howard's Ministers who'd be prepared
to go to jail, to preserve the integrity of public office.
There are difficulties with this scenario, and the one the comes most
easily is the (non-existent) record of our police being able to
infiltrate the crime networks that import and make billions of dollars
worth of illicit drugs every year. Name the last time a media-happy
Minister appeared in a pic to celebrate the busting of a mafia-like
family of crooks, through the efforts of a Scorpio. Groups with a
predominant ethnic component are harder to crack into, than the typical
Aussie mobs.
But suppose it can be done. Suppose there are dozens, hundreds of
double agents keeping track of ASIO's targets. Are they all
incorruptible? Do they all hand over the priceless info they pick up?
The problem then becomes, what if one of them goes off the rails, and
wants more of the cake? Or gets an attack of the guilts, and wants to
talk to the press, or to the honest politician? The whole gig would be
at risk. Not if seven or eight slugs to the head can be covered up in
the name of national security, though! That's just the way the local
crime gangs protect their interests. Dead men don't tell tales.
The 'shoot to kill' rule is there to protect the enterprise - the Premiers - and the dodgy accounting.
The bigger problem, with that scenario, is that Usama bin Laden has
considered how his outfit could be infiltrated like this, and has
methods to insure against betrayal. Just like the local crime gangs.
So, in terms of setting up a program to beat the phantom terrorist
army, it's a total figment. But it's my best explanation for how the
Premiers were conned and bought. The 'more spies' plan is a joke. It's
more likely the Premiers have been conned, and the money they think
they have agreed to commit will appear elsewhere, to make the Budget
look better. "An army of spies? Well, of course, that's an operational
matter, and I can make no comment."
In the end, no great harm will have been done, apart from that to the
integrity of our parliaments, to the personal integrity of those who
made fools of themselves, and to the odd nobody who has to take a
bullet or seven, to prove the system works. One possible benefit is that
the political families will perceive there is risk of death to their
own offspring, who will be kept at home and less able to breed, and the
species may die out from self-induced catatonia due to fear.
Ps - I tried parking this at Webdiary, but the 'Post' button action returned an error flag, "unable to connect to www.typepad.com'.
* Audrey Gillan and agencies * guardian.co.uk, * Monday September 22 2008 11:58 BST
The inquest into the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes began at London's Oval cricket ground this morning with members of the dead man's family staging a quiet protest.
Cousins of the Brazilian, who was shot dead as he attempted to catch a train at Stockwell tube station, handed out leaflets printed in the colours of the Brazilian flag and bearing the words "Three Years, No Justice". They wore T-shirts marking the date of his death - July 22, 2005 - set inside the London Underground logo.
A senior police surveillance officer is to be investigated after he admitted altering evidence during the Jean Charles de Menezes inquest.
The Special Branch officer, named only as Owen, deleted a line in his computer notes last week, which claimed the Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick initially said the Brazilian electrician could "run onto Tube as not carrying anything". But today he told Mr de Menezes's inquest: "On reflection, I looked at that and thought I cannot actually say that."
Killjoy wuz here...
From the ABC...
Shoot-to-kill plans aren't new, PM says
Prime Minister John Howard says he will speak to state leaders about their concerns over shoot-to-kill provisions in the Commonwealth's draft anti-terrorism legislation.
The premiers of five states have said they never agreed to the provisions.
The premiers of Queensland, Victoria, New South Wales, Western Australia and South Australia say the draft legislation differs from an agreement they reached with Mr Howard at last month's Council of Australian Governments (COAG) meeting.
The state leaders are concerned the draft introduces a shoot-to-kill provision against terrorism suspects who flee when arrested under a preventative detention order.
GUS says shove this policy up the fairy hole down the back bush track into the river of flushing effluent... straight down the tank stream..
keeping-up appearances .....
Yes Gus.
And I wonder who our 1st Jean Charles de Menezes will be?
Odds are it won't be a paleface with a name like Howard or Ruddock.
Con theory
The 'shoot to kill' clause is central to the program. It is not a distraction. The keys to understanding this include Stanhope's reactions, and the acquiescence of the other seven, to what was a masterful confidence trick.
Of course, without reincarnating Will Shakespeare to write a nine-act play, we'll only be able to guess what went through the minds of the nine central characters, as they were led into the darkened theatrette to watch Mick Keelty's screenplay and fancy footwork with the laser pointer. We should assume they didn't have GHB-spiked tea served up in the Crown porcelain. I reckon, while the hours under Mick's spell may have whizzed by in a continual whir of murky threats, they were all able to recall, with embarrassing surety, the extent of their capitulation. Stanhope was the only one who didn't go in with his underpants down around his ankles, because he had signalled his disquiet beforehand. The responses since then suggest, strongly, that they all knew they were conned, but Stanhope is the only one with enough integrity and strength of ego to reject the overtures. It is typical of victims of a con game that they remain in denial, because admitting the deception is too painful.
The elements of this shell trick were extraordinarily simple, beyond the need to 'trust me on this'. Premiers and Chief Ministers submit to nothing, unless there is a promise of a transfer of funds. None of them needed to be told that extra precautions mean more manpower and resources, and that requires accounting for it in the budget. But, in this exercise, the emphasis is on creating new spies, to infiltrate the subversive networks, in order to root out the malcreants. At an early point, it becomes necessary to cover up the entire activity, so to lessen the risk of exposing what they are up to. So, it all has to go underground, into the bowels of secret police activities. Premiers, being basically simple and straighforward folk, would prefer not to carry that load of systematic deceit. They would be overjoyed to hear the A-G offer to provide the shield of obscurity, and the funds. All they have to do is sign up to the clarifying legislation. The cover is absolutely necessary, because the targets will be brought into the daylight, sooner or later, to face criminal proceedings. That is, unless there has been promise of rendition to secret military commissions.
Let's hang onto it, there, and tease out just what a small army of spies will look like. (Putting aside, for the moment, an inexpensive means to the same end: the transforming impact of the actions of a lone nut with a single bomb in a solitary rubbish bin at a significant location.) Let's assume there are disaffected ethnic youth, who are prepared to take money to inform on their mates. The suggestion is being put around, in a certain weekend newspaper, that ASIO has identified a small number of targets. (Laws will expose 80 Muslims ) Whatever the number, it will take some sophistication to put trained operatives on their tails, and collate the data going back. Successful plants would be expected to remain under cover for as long as possible, in case something really useful becomes accessible. Mick & Paul would have been projecting a vast web of secrecy, able to infiltrate all sorts of groups and organisations, and report back. That's a lot of money to come out of budgets for ongoing programs. Having committed, the Premiers seal their lips, because to talk about any aspect of the operation would compromise all of it. Sucked right in. And when the States are short-changed, down the track, there is no comeback. The books would have to be somewhat massaged, to conceal the extent of the operations, and they are all party to the cover-up. What's more likely, is that they will commit to something that cannot be audited, and someone in Canberra will take advantage of their weakness. The Premiers won't have a clue how much money is changing hands, and they won't be able to appeal to the electorate to help them out of their dilemma.
That's the sorry essence of it - add double agents and paid informants to corruptible coppers, and that's an unholy and unmanageable mess, unless someone is appointed to take personal responsibility for failures and excesses. Name one of Howard's Ministers who'd be prepared to go to jail, to preserve the integrity of public office.
There are difficulties with this scenario, and the one the comes most easily is the (non-existent) record of our police being able to infiltrate the crime networks that import and make billions of dollars worth of illicit drugs every year. Name the last time a media-happy Minister appeared in a pic to celebrate the busting of a mafia-like family of crooks, through the efforts of a Scorpio. Groups with a predominant ethnic component are harder to crack into, than the typical Aussie mobs.
But suppose it can be done. Suppose there are dozens, hundreds of double agents keeping track of ASIO's targets. Are they all incorruptible? Do they all hand over the priceless info they pick up? The problem then becomes, what if one of them goes off the rails, and wants more of the cake? Or gets an attack of the guilts, and wants to talk to the press, or to the honest politician? The whole gig would be at risk. Not if seven or eight slugs to the head can be covered up in the name of national security, though! That's just the way the local crime gangs protect their interests. Dead men don't tell tales.
The 'shoot to kill' rule is there to protect the enterprise - the Premiers - and the dodgy accounting.
The bigger problem, with that scenario, is that Usama bin Laden has considered how his outfit could be infiltrated like this, and has methods to insure against betrayal. Just like the local crime gangs. So, in terms of setting up a program to beat the phantom terrorist army, it's a total figment. But it's my best explanation for how the Premiers were conned and bought. The 'more spies' plan is a joke. It's more likely the Premiers have been conned, and the money they think they have agreed to commit will appear elsewhere, to make the Budget look better. "An army of spies? Well, of course, that's an operational matter, and I can make no comment."
In the end, no great harm will have been done, apart from that to the integrity of our parliaments, to the personal integrity of those who made fools of themselves, and to the odd nobody who has to take a bullet or seven, to prove the system works. One possible benefit is that the political families will perceive there is risk of death to their own offspring, who will be kept at home and less able to breed, and the species may die out from self-induced catatonia due to fear.
Ps - I tried parking this at Webdiary, but the 'Post' button action returned an error flag, "unable to connect to www.typepad.com'.
may we not forget him...
Cousins of innocent Brazilian shot dead by police on tube hand out leaflets bearing the words 'Three Years, No Justice'
* Audrey Gillan and agencies
* guardian.co.uk,
* Monday September 22 2008 11:58 BST
The inquest into the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes began at London's Oval cricket ground this morning with members of the dead man's family staging a quiet protest.
Cousins of the Brazilian, who was shot dead as he attempted to catch a train at Stockwell tube station, handed out leaflets printed in the colours of the Brazilian flag and bearing the words "Three Years, No Justice". They wore T-shirts marking the date of his death - July 22, 2005 - set inside the London Underground logo.
fiddling with the evidence...
By Tom Morgan, PA
Tuesday, 14 October 2008
A senior police surveillance officer is to be investigated after he admitted altering evidence during the Jean Charles de Menezes inquest.
The Special Branch officer, named only as Owen, deleted a line in his computer notes last week, which claimed the Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick initially said the Brazilian electrician could "run onto Tube as not carrying anything". But today he told Mr de Menezes's inquest: "On reflection, I looked at that and thought I cannot actually say that."